Wednesday, September 23, 2009

due Thursday 9/24

1. Please read Exodus chapters 21 and 22 from the Bible. It is a series of laws. Would Hammurabi find any of these laws too harsh? Too soft? Do you find them too hard, too soft? Comment on this post.

2. Finish you chart, summary and claim for the painting The Creation of the World and the Expulsion from Paradise.

15 comments:

  1. I found that Hammurabi's laws and God's laws are actually quite similar. Like, definitely the 'eye for eye' law was present in both law codes. But, in God's laws, there were many options provided for the circumstances that were illustrated in the laws. For example, it would be like, "If you kill a slave, then blank. But if blank, then blank." and so on. I think Hammurabi would consider giving choices soft, since he did not give many choices. Also, in the Bible, since it was God who was proclaiming the laws, it included some regarding Him. I think Hammurabi would not favor this, because I think he would want the people to depend on gods indirectly through him, so he can have full control on the people.

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  2. The laws of god were quite similar to Hamurabi's code in many aspects. There were several laws regarding thievery in both Hamurabi's code and the book of Exodus. There were also several laws pertaining to the structure of the family and respecting the elders of the household. All of these laws had harsh punishments. For example in both the book of Exodus and Hamurabi's code it says that if you strike one of your parents you shall be put to death or your hand shall be cut off. I believe that Hamurabi would have approved of many of the Lord's laws.

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  3. Similar to Hammurabi's laws, these laws exhibit compassion for women. For instance: "If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine." This gives women some rights, though not many as seen when God gives control of women to men. The women in Hammurabi's culture have approximately the same amount of rights as in God's.

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  4. Just like everyone else said, I found that the rules were rather similar. For example, a lot of these rules were the same because in both of the lists, they both have a problem that is solved with the causer getting that same problem done to them. Sort of like an eye for an eye. For example, this rule has a problem that is solved with the causer getting that same problem done to them: He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death. That rule is a lot like some of Hammurabi's rules so therefor I don't think that Hammurabi would call these rules to harsh or to soft, but I on the other hand would consider these rules to be a little harsh. Some rules are harsher than others, so I wouldn't say that all of the rules were harsh, just some of them.

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  5. I think that these laws are very similar and very different, depending on the laws that you are looking at. For example one of god's laws states the following: "12. "Anyone who strikes a man and kills him shall surely be put to death,". I Find this incredibly similar to Hammurabi's law concerning murder, which was essentially on a "if you are caught you are killed" basis. However in verse 22 of the chapter this particualar laws says ""If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely [5] but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows". This is not somehting Hammurabi would agree with because I believe the he believed in protecting women to a certian extent. Moreover, Hammurabi would've had a more spesific punishment so he could better install a deterent toward this action (such as being thrown in the water if you have an affair).

    -Ashley

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  6. I think that the laws of Hammurabi are very alike to the laws in the Bible. For instance, the laws in the Bible give the men a little more power, but not much. Some differences between the two are that the punishments that Hammurabi gives to his people are much more severe than the ones in the Bible. I do not think that the laws in the Bible are very harsh. I think they are very good laws to live by and they are not harsh at all. I definitely think that Hammurabi would agree with all of these laws, because they are very similar to the ones that he decreed.

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  7. I found that Hammurabi's laws and the bible's set of laws were extremely similar. In the bible they use the example of an eye for and eye and a tooth for a tooth, just like Hammurabi did. Also, they share many of the same principles: there will be no murder, stealing or the commiting of adultery. I did find a law in the bible that i thought was too weak a punishment for Hammurabi. The law was: "If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished.But he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property." My fist instinct was that Hammurabi would have this man killed right off because of his extremely strict set of laws. I think that some of the laws in the bible and in Hammurabis code of laws are too harsh. But i do believe that all the ten commandments (from exodus chapter 20) are a perfect set of rules to live by, not too harsh or soft.

    -Erin Moody

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  8. The laws of God and Hamurabi are relatively similar, however Hoamurabi's code is slightly more straight forward. As for God's commandments, his laws are more complicated. The most common solution in the laws of Hamurabi is to put the human to death for what he/she has done. God's laws are similar however their are alternatives for each situation (example: if the man has a wife, than the wife shall be part of the punishment too). Some of these laws might actually appeal to Hamurabi because they value the respect of elders and those with status. However Some of them might be too harsh for Hamurabi. For example, in Hamurabi's code, if a son strikes his father his hand shall be cut off. But in God's laws, if a son strikes his father he shall be put to death. (clearly a more serious punishment)

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  9. The laws are similar in a way, like how punishments will be given if you are to do something that hurst someone or something. How some are put to death if they are to do something crucial is a huge similarity. Hammurabi's laws basically all have to do with death, and some of God's punishments are the same. Both sets of laws are pretty harsh due to how the punishments are, and how the people get punished.

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  10. I believe that there were a large number of similarities between God's law and Hammurabi's code. Lots of the code had to do with problems such as domestic issues, crime, equality, and others are all valued in both Hammurabi's code and in God's law. One law that actually appears as (almost) the same law in both cultures is the "eye for an eye" law. Agriculture is also heavily important in both cultures. Lastly, I would like to say that death is a common factor between both cultures as well, as lots of the punishments for the crimes commited is execution/death.

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  11. In chapters 20-21 of Exodus there are many similarities between Hammurabi's code and God's law such as an eye for an eye, agriculture laws and so on. One of God's laws that I found most similar to the Hammurabi code is, "If she pleased not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her." This law has the same feel as many of the laws in the Hammurabi code where women are still suppressed by male figures, but they also have more freedom then most cultures. This law of God is very positive for women which is very shocking to me because in the book of Genesis one of God's punishments put upon Eve was that men would always be of higher status than women.

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  12. I found both similarities and differences in the Bibles laws and Hammurabis laws. There was one major aspect that seemed to really effect the whole feel of the rules stated in the Bible; they were actually passed down by god which gave them a holier and more powerful feel than Hammurabi's laws. A similarity I found between the two was that they both seemed biases. For example, the rule that " You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord you god, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name." This definitely seems to be in-favor of the him and other gods. Another similar thing I found, was that they were both big on equality and seemed to give the same punishment as the crime. I think that Hammurabi would say that some of these laws were to fair, such as if a slave is killed, the owner will be punished. Hammurabi was more concerned about social class and status, and this was very apparent in his codes.

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  13. I found that God had alot more laws than Hammurabi did about religion, but I think that makes sense because GOD is a god, so he wants people to worship him.

    I also noticed almost all of the commandments in the list of laws as well. It's nothing special, as everyone else probably has noticed that too, I just wanted to say I noticed it also.

    "If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free..." This law is very similar to another law from Hammurabi, where if a man sell his daughter, son or wife as a slave, they have to work for three years, and on the fourth year, they become free.

    I feel as some of Gods laws are a little more harsh, such as this one: "Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death." I also feel that a lot of God's laws are more detailed, and almost have options to them, like "if blah did this intentionally, he will be put to death, but if blah did this unintentionally, he will have to pay blah amount", where Hammurabi's laws were either one or the other, death or punishment, not both.

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  14. I found many similarities and a few differences between chapters 21 and 22 of Exodus and Hammurabi's Laws. I think that Hammurabi would have found many of the laws in Exodus suitable for his code but many would have been too "soft" or compassionate. Hammurabi was not compassionate, and in Exodus chapter 22, line 27 includes the words, "I will listen, for I am compassionate". I was surprised by how drastic the laws in exodus were and I think many are far too harsh, such as killing a child for cursing their parent, as if children can control themselves at all times.

    Justice is an important factor in both the laws in Exodus and Hammurabi's Code. But the Exodus laws pertaining to justice and restitution seem more oriented to the welfare of the people and of the individual, whereas Hammurabi was all about the welfare of the land. Hammurabi was against showing compassion at all, and his laws were not oriented on the individual.

    I was also surprised by how many Exodus laws were comparable and similar to Hammurabi's laws. My guess is that Hammurabi's code must have greatly influenced the writing of the laws in Exodus.

    There are two laws that I was touched by- one about not exacting interest on money lent, and the other on returning a pawned cloak because the cloak may be the only covering for warmth that the person who pawned it has. Hammurabi would have found these laws too focused on the individual, and too "soft".

    When death is the likely punishment, sometimes there is the chance for flexibility in the law- for example if a murder came about by an act of god,  there could be a chance for the murderer to flee the land instead of be put to death. Again, Hammurabi would not have done this.

    In Exodus and Hammurbai death being a punishment often used. It was even worded the same in the bible and Hammurabis code, "...shall be put to death". Another prominent similarity between the laws in Exodus and Hammurabi's laws is the "eye for an eye" law. Under the law concerning violence in Exodus it says "then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe". There are quite a few laws in Hammurabis Code that have the exact same message. Because Hammurabi's Code existed before the Bible was written it could be possible that this law in Exodus was influenced by Hammurabi's law.

    The Laws of Restitution in the bible and in Hammurabis Code also have some similarities. One is that agriculture is considered important and if a crop is damaged it will be paid for in some way. Another is that justice is important in both texts. But in the bible I think the justice is more for the welfare of the the people and of the individual and in Hammurabis Code the justice is meant for the welfare of the land.

    In both Exodus and Hammurabi's code there was a respect for your parents demanded. Also, men were in control of women and slaves. I think that Hammurabi would have understood and liked these laws because with them God was always the one with definite control over everything. Hammurabi had definite control in his laws.

    I know that polygamy was a part of Hammurabi's Code but I thought that polygamy was not a part of the bible, so I was surprised by the part in the law concerning slaves where it says "if he takes another wife for himself, he shall not diminish the food, clothing, or marital rights of the first wife". I wondered if I interpreted this wrong.

    -Alana

    p.s. I also have a random question that if is not brought up in class I will bring up in the religion laws when God says that every first male shall be given to god; what does that mean? Is it sacrifice? Also can we talk about the polygamist part in class too?

    - Sorry that I didn't post this yesterday. I am really not feeling well and I really couldn't focus last night, but I don't want to get farther behind on my work so I did this. Hopefully I will not be marked down for being late. Thanks.

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